Poetry, quotations, personal reflections from a lover of the wilderness, a lover of the silence....
Monday, November 17, 2008
"The difference between theism and nontheism is not whether one does or does not believe in God.... Theism is a deep-seated conviction that there's some hand to hold.... Non-theism is relaxing with the ambiguity and uncertainty of the present moment without reaching for anything to protect ourselves." ~Pema Chodron
I think that is a simplistic statement. Theists may espouse a deus-ex-machina, uninvolved deity. There is plenty of ambiguity and uncertainty and plenty room for personal responsibility in forms of theism.
Barbara, You're right, it is a simplistic statement as are all or nearly all quotations "sound-bited," taken out of their context, because as such they can never tell the whole story.
And actually, I don't really disagree with your comment at all.
Please see my post of 14 November 2008. :)
I'm glad this provoked thought and a good response from you. Thanks.
"More than any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly." ~Woody Allen
"Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse." ~Lily Tomlin
"We must face the prospect of changing our basic ways of living. This change will either be made on our own initiative in a planned way, or forced on us with chaos and suffering by the inexorable laws of nature." ~Jimmy Carter
One final paragraph of advice: do not burn yourselves out. Be as I am — a reluctant enthusiast... a part-time crusader, a half-hearted fanatic. Save the other half of yourselves and your lives for pleasure and adventure. It is not enough to fight for the land; it is even more important to enjoy it. While you can. While it’s still here. So get out there and hunt and fish and mess around with your friends, ramble out yonder and explore the forests, climb the mountains, bag the peaks, run the rivers, breathe deep of that yet sweet and lucid air, sit quietly for a while and contemplate the precious stillness, the lovely, mysterious, and awesome space. Enjoy yourselves, keep your brain in your head and your head firmly attached to the body, the body active and alive, and I promise you this much; I promise you this one sweet victory over our enemies, over those desk-bound men and women with their hearts in a safe deposit box, and their eyes hypnotized by desk calculators. I promise you this; You will outlive the bastards." ~Edward Abbey, from a speech to environmentalists in Missoula, Montana in 1978 and in Colorado, which was published in High Country News under the title "Joy, Shipmates, Joy."
"What I fear most is despair for the world and us: forever less of beauty, silence, open air, gratitude, unbidden happiness, affection, unegotistical desire ~Wendell Berry, from IX, Sabbaths 1998, in Given
I think that is a simplistic statement. Theists may espouse a deus-ex-machina, uninvolved deity. There is plenty of ambiguity and uncertainty and plenty room for personal responsibility in forms of theism.
ReplyDeleteBarbara,
ReplyDeleteYou're right, it is a simplistic statement as are all or nearly all quotations "sound-bited," taken out of their context, because as such they can never tell the whole story.
And actually, I don't really disagree with your comment at all.
Please see my post of 14 November 2008. :)
I'm glad this provoked thought and a good response from you. Thanks.
I am aware of your disclaimer, FW. You know I am not arguing with YOU. I am just expressing an opinion about an idea.
ReplyDeleteThen we both understand the other. :)
ReplyDeleteThanks, Barbara.
Sounds a bit lonely to me...
ReplyDeletePema is a cool chick.
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